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Website Talk => Web standards => Topic started by: Luka on February 08, 2006, 05:27:01 pm

Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Luka on February 08, 2006, 05:27:01 pm
Are you compliant with the Disabilities Discrimination Act?

The Disabilities Discrimination Act makes most British websites unlawful from the 1st October 2004. The Act makes it "unlawful for a service provider to discriminate against a disabled person by refusing to provide any service which it provides to members of the public", specifically mentioning websites.

A formal investigation in April 2004 found 81% failed to provide even the most basic access to disabled users. Companies face the threat of legal action and unlimited compensation payments if they fail to comply with new legislation.

For some reason, Solucija fails this point at Silktide. --> http://www.silktide.com/index.php?node=18444&form_refresh=0&form2=1&f2_url=www.solucija.com&f2_ok=OK&pagetree=&editSessionid=&objectid=

I can't see what causes it to fail. Come on Albert this is your field  ;D
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: bramsyuur on February 08, 2006, 05:38:14 pm
Luka,
The error is in the forums...

Webpage http://forum.solucija.com/
One error found
Line 51, column 166: document type does not allow element "form" here; missing one of "object", "applet", "map", "iframe", "ins", "del" start-tag


Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Luka on February 08, 2006, 05:43:58 pm
Quote from: bramsyuur
Luka,
The error is in the forums...

Webpage http://forum.solucija.com/
One error found
Line 51, column 166: document type does not allow element "form" here; missing one of "object", "applet", "map", "iframe", "ins", "del" start-tag


Well that's just great  ;D
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: bryn on February 08, 2006, 06:24:50 pm
that's good going Luka..and the only fault is in another script it seems..excellent results mate ;D
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: albert on February 11, 2006, 10:36:31 am
Hi Luka

My site passes 100% with sNews :)

the only thing it fails on are:
Use of page titles

This will be fixed in a few days with my new title code program.

Links to web site
It just went up so this should not count for atleast 3 to 4 months due to search engine adding you.

Then there is the web site that is doing the test, they are selling somthing like me.
like the words
How we can help.

so sNews is 100% WHY DO YOU THINK I USE IT... :)

Albert on a mission

If you would like the link to my web site it is here.

360
web
design
.co.uk/

and yes I am not adding my link here for Links to web site .

see: http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en
mozilla has an addon very cool...
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Luka on February 16, 2006, 09:41:59 pm
I've removed a from the text where it says to login.

Now it seem to validate. Turns me on hehe  ;D
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: bryn on February 16, 2006, 10:56:49 pm
 ;D

easy Luka ;)
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: albert on March 11, 2006, 11:17:23 am
Hi

there are only 3 or 4 type of forms with SNEWS so they should be easy to change to be more Accessible.

Search form: very small so that would be easy.

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Contact Us / comments:
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this can be done with Dreamweaver MX to Create Accessible Forms. Dreamweaver MX will prompt you for the fieldset legend.


Albert

Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Tjobbe on April 12, 2006, 01:37:38 pm
My site passed with flying colours straight away, using sNews of course!

http://www.silktide.com/index.php?node=18444&form_refresh_single=0&form2=1&f2_url=www.farstyle.com&f2_ok=OK&pagetree=&editSessionid=&objectid=
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: albert on April 12, 2006, 01:48:22 pm
Hi

if you like that one try mine with your web site here:

Advanced Accessibility Checker

http://www.360webdesign.co.uk/advanced_accessibility_checker/

have fun Tjobbe :)

albert

Quote from: Tjobbe
My site passed with flying colours straight away, using sNews of course!

http://www.silktide.com/index.php?node=18444&form_refresh_single=0&form2=1&f2_url=www.farstyle.com&f2_ok=OK&pagetree=&editSessionid=&objectid=
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Patric Ahlqvist on April 12, 2006, 02:02:18 pm
Ok, Abe, does this mean I 've passed "Section 508 conformity checked by": http://www.cynthiasays.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?url1=http://p-ahlqvist.com&rptmode=-1&warnp2n3e=0&runcr=0&incsrc=1&BROWSE_EMUL=Cynthia%201.0 ???
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: albert on April 12, 2006, 02:06:27 pm
hI P

yes you did..

Verified File Name: http://p-ahlqvist.com
Date and Time: 4/12/2006 8:03:56 AM
Passed Automated Verification
508 Standards, Section 1194.22

Now check for the A's now see if you can get it up to AAA

albert


Quote from: Patric
Ok, Abe, does this mean I 've passed "Section 508 conformity checked by": http://www.cynthiasays.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?url1=http://p-ahlqvist.com&rptmode=-1&warnp2n3e=0&runcr=0&incsrc=1&BROWSE_EMUL=Cynthia%201.0 ???
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Patric Ahlqvist on April 12, 2006, 03:03:09 pm
Eh ? Hehe, Abe...What do you mean ? Should I check for the letter A in plural ? And see if I can become a member of AAA.
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Fred K on August 30, 2006, 03:43:57 pm
I'm having a bit of a problem with all this. Generally speaking, a site should offer text-only versions of pages in order to be WCAG AA/Section 508 valid. A site should have accesskeys and tabindex attached to links within it, in order to be WCAG AA/Section 508 valid. So that's what I've been doing with sites that required WCAG AA as the minimum level of conformance. Now, when I look at your sites, and ponder how to create text-only versions of sNews, I see that neither Albert (360) or Patric offer text-only versions or have accesskeys set to the links, yet Cynthia doesn't bat an eye... (well, ok, she throws a number of warnings at you but that doesn't seem to hinder validation.) Not trying to bash eiter of you, if anything it's the validator's fault, I'm just trying to understand why I've been running through hoops to meet requirements that ... aren't really necessary?

Any tips on how to use/create text-only versions of "pages" with sNews?
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Mika on August 30, 2006, 03:47:59 pm
it usually means providing site by disabling css rendering (style attachment tag removal) or minimizing css features (bg colors, font colors, images etc...)
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Keyrocks on August 30, 2006, 04:27:36 pm
Quote from: mika
it usually means providing site by disabling css rendering (style attachment tag removal) or minimizing css features (bg colors, font colors, images etc...)
Yes... If you've been careful to put all of your site template imaging into the stylesheet, then having a 2nd stylesheet that minimizes or eliminates most (if not all) of the styling serves as a plainer text-version stylesheet. And it's then just a matter of having a switch mechanism in place so that the viewer can switch if he/she so chooses. And the switch can also offer different sizes of text for visually impaired viewers as well.
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Fred K on August 30, 2006, 06:21:48 pm
Well, yes and no. I mean, I agree that making a bare-bones, no images, no frills stylesheet is a way around this. But there will still be images in the content for example (because I like images, or it might be a news site that uses many photos, or... you get the idea), and that isn't really providing a text-only version. It's a question of nuances and semantics and personal choice, I know. I'll ponder this some more, see what comes out. I do need to fix the blindlink issue, perhaps that will foster some ideas about text-only and other accessibility issues. Or maybe I'm just looking at the issue from a wrong angle.
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Mika on August 30, 2006, 06:52:34 pm
Quote from: my favourite agent :D
...It's a question of nuances and semantics and personal choice...
yes, but it's a question of user's choice, especially if he/she is disabled and forced to use txt only through some voice browser. in that case, images are completely redundant element of your site. the other important thing is printer friendly option.

if you wish to be compliant, the simplest thing to do is to create several css files for various purposes. that's what css is for - amongst other things, it's a nifty tool to provide different look for a different people.
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Fred K on August 31, 2006, 09:12:31 pm
Quote from: he-who-is-everywhere
my favourite agent :D
(you mean there are other agents here?) (seriously?) LOL

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the other important thing is printer friendly option.
(for blind people?) :nudge:

Yes, true. Aural stylesheet, print stylesheet, screen/projection stylesheet, high-contrast stylesheet are all on my list. As are adding longdescs where I need those, at least for hardwired images. But accesskeys on links! Tabindex on links! How?
   yep, I know that accesskeys aren't recognised or used equally in the various screenreaders available, but the validator looks for them, and some accesskeys are mandatory in some countries' e-gov specs. UK, US to name two. EU I think will adopt the same regulations if they haven't already.

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if you wish to be compliant, the simplest thing to do...
Heh- I'm not gunning for simplest. I'm going for "proper". ;D

Anyway, I don't really disagree with you. Just curious if I'd been doing too much previously. Seems so. And, judging by my comments above, I'll keep on doing too much... :D
//Insert favourite comment about old farts and learning here.//
Title: British Disability Discrimination Act
Post by: Sasha on September 01, 2006, 12:39:09 am
cameldesigns.com pased

--------All webpages were found to be fully compliant with the W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, and therefore likely not in violation of the British Disability Discrimination Act. Pages make proper use of the latest XHTML standards.-------